The Hidden Truth About the Female Penis (Warning: Graphic Images)

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Did you know that female and male reproductive organs aren’t all that different from each other?  During the first few weeks of fetal development the internal and external sex organs are the same in both boys and girls. It is not until the 16th to 18th week of pregnancy that a baby’s gender can be determined.  Basically, the structures are very similar – it is just the placement and purposes that vary.  If you compare a woman’s cervix and the glans of a male’s penis you can see how similar they look:

9298287 Glans of a penis

age-45-day-19wv-150x150 A woman’s cervix (speculum view)

When the cervix is pulled down through the vagina it looks similar to a penis – but without the skin.  The cervix (followed by  the uterus) is being pulled out through the vagina in the image below:

27052009(002)Female reproductive organs remain inside the pelvic structure while male organs descend.  The descent is not complete until after birth, as male testicles do not drop down into the scrotum until about 6 months of age:

index.jpg77drk001370Did you know that the uterus and cervix play an important role during orgasm? The uterus is responsible for the strong, sustained contractions; the cervix dips, supports, and increases sensitivity.

Did you know that incidence of testis cancer in men is similar to incidence of cervical cancer in women?  Incidence of testis cancer per 100,000 is 6.75, incidence of cervical cancer of per 100,000 is 7.46 (Canadian statistics).  Incidence of prostate cancer is much higher at 140 per 100,000.

Given the similarities between female and male sex organs . . .

Why are women’s sex organs depicted as vulnerable and in need of constant examination?
Why are men not subjected to the same pressures?  Why have womens’ reproductive organs spawned such a lucrative medical industry?
Why are women subjected to invasive exams so disproportionate to the risk or to the attention given to men?
Why are women castrated at rates that are unimaginable for men?

References

http://www.bccancer.bc.ca/HPI/CancerStatistics/FF/CaType/default.htm
http://www.healthywomen.org/content/ask-expert/1357/hysterectomy-and-lack-orgasm
http://www.hersfoundation.com/docs/Sexual_Loss.html
http://www.patient.co.uk/health/undescended-testes
http://www.baby2see.com/gender/external_genitals.html

70 comments

  1. Very informative.

    I might add that the cervix also serves a function to filter the semen with a mesh of mucus it’s gland cells produce. Unfiltered semen cannot be injected into the uterus during an artificial insemination. It must be washed first. A functioning (intact) cervix does the filtering naturally.

    I believe that circumcision of male babies and children is totally wrong. If an adult male decides to have the procedure for whatever reason fine. It just seems that so many doctors support infant circumcision and they are probably the same ones who think that amputating a women’s cervix during a LEEP or cone biopsy is just fine too. It is totally wrong and about 20% of women who have LEEP done have dysplasia come back (who knows if the original reason was for HPV infection anyway) . These disfiguring surgeries that cause sexual dysfunction and harm to men and women should be stopped.

    While some people might not think that a comparison of circumcision to LEEP is fair, I might point out that what if often behind all the excessive pap testing and treatments is misogyny. Men might have a circumcision for religious reasons or falsely because it is believed to be more hygienic. Then only the minimum amount of the foreskin is removed. Rarely is circumcision recommended for medical reasons.

    Men can have HPV lesions inside their urethra and between the foreskin and the glands only they are never scraped at yearly intervals their whole adults life. I might note that homosexual men are being anally pap tested at the same rate as some women. Some of them find the procedures and “treatments” as upsetting as most women. The Gay lesbian trans community have been abused by the medical industry for years now.

    • to a lot of girls uncircumcised penises look weird. There isn’t any hard proof that it increases infection risk or does anything really damaging but removing the foreskin does allow guys to clean a lot easier, as a girl i wouldn’t want to go down on a guy that has old bacteria inside the foreskin that he missed in the shower, i wouldn’t want a guy to do that to me if i wasn’t clean from the same stuff that builds up in the vagina even after cleaning.

      • No. Men who have been taught hygiene have no problems keeping themselves clean. My husband is uncircumcised, and as this is a man’s natural state, it does not look funny. Women who think so are suffering from a lack of maturity.

  2. Oddly you can vaginally remove kidneys. Haven’t looked into how. The vagina connects to the uterus via cervix but the kidneys are not connected to the uterus in any way.

    Circumcision is useless unless there’s a clear medical reason requiring circ. I never understood how putting an open wound in a diaper/nappy filled with feces and urine with a proven 99% risk of infection outweighed simply waiting till the. Kid was older and willing to choose for himself. We left our son “natural” after my research. As far as religious reasons go, if a god wanted the penis to look a certain way, wouldn’t that god have created the penis to look that way? I read a few articles saying thd foreskin prevents hpv and has antibacterial purposes. Another thing, they say circ reduces smegma. The female labia also make smegma, yet it’s illegal to rempve them.

    • Hi Overitall
      Actually, I’ve read circumcised heterosexual men are less likely to get HPV and other STIs…
      “Heterosexual men who undergo medical circumcision can significantly reduce their risk of acquiring two common sexually transmitted infections — herpes simplex virus type 2 (HSV-2), the cause of genital herpes, and human papillomavirus (HPV), which can cause cancer and genital warts”
      …there are quite a few reports that say the same thing.
      It’s certainly easier to clean the area with no foreskin, but that’s not a reason to remove it, just means the man needs to take the time to clean the area properly.
      I wonder what the research would show with men who clean the area properly.
      I’ve also read older uncircumcised men get a lot more UTIs, but also, wonder if that could be addressed with greater care in nursing homes. (catheter care)

      It’s a controversial area, I haven’t spent a lot of time looking at the subject, if I had a son, then it would have been on my research list, along with Gardasil. I prefer to do my own research and ask lots of questions – to someone I trust. I’ve found in the past (and continue to find) the evidence often contradicts the official discourse, particularly in women’s “healthcare” and cancer screening.
      It’s funny how circumcision goes in waves, it’s clearly a religious/cultural thing for some groups, it happened around the Great Wars because they believed men could keep themselves cleaner in the trenches when they couldn’t shower/wash etc…they’d get fewer STIs, UTIs etc.
      My husband and brothers were all circumcised, it was the done thing in the 1950s and 1960s in Australia, parents were strongly advised to carry out the procedure on their newborn sons, now I suspect the reverse would apply, you’d be strongly advised not to carry out the procedure, my 3 nephews are all intact.

      • Circumcision on a healthy baby boy is nothing short of sexual molestation, rape and leaves the boy with life long scars on his penis in where he will have to live with his entire life. Where is the law to protect our boys? Such a cruel and inhumane vulgar act done to the most erogenous zone on a mans body. It even scars the baby boys brain, sends it into shock and it will never recover we now know. And we wonder why boys commit suicide 4 to 1 per girls. Enter into life with being tied down and violently raped with body parts torn off and we wonder how could we expect them to grow up normal. And how many boys die every year in North America from this atrocity? 200+ yet no charges of wrong doing, no one goes to jail. if this was done to animals all the whack jobs doing this would be jailed and fined! Rape and pillaging was normal 100’s of years ago yet it died a proper death, when oh when will this cruelest left over from those ages die with it.

  3. What really pisses me if off is that doctors to this day still tell women sex is better after hysterectomy because ‘you don’t have to worry about getting pregnant! ‘Yep this sort of BS is actually spouted in old medical journals like The Lancet. It’s written by clueless male gynecologists of course. What the fuck (excuse the pun)would they know about the female orgasm? That’s why it pisses me off that people pooh pooh women who say they want a female gynecologist. They DO know their physiology better than any male doctor. I read countless articles from people in the medical profession worried about the dwindling numbers of men going into gynecology. Nobody seems too worried that there aren’t many female urologists. Go to hell male gynecologists – you’ve needlessly butchered women’s bodies over the decades.

    • So true, Mary! According to the same logic, sex will be even better without men’s testicles. We definitely won’t need to worry about getting pregnant! Shall we proceed? 😉 Let’s start with the doctor who said that nonsense about the uterus.

      I think men should be banned from telling women what’s better for their reproductive organs, orgasms or how painful (or not) something is. Male obgyns are the biggest nonsense medical systems keep producing all over the world!

    • It’s true there aren’t many female urologists so I’m not sure whether I’m lucky or unlucky to have had a female urologist treat me after an accident that damaged my testicles. After many tests and delays (requested by me) she eventually convinced me that my testicles were beyond saving and that they’d have to be removed. I doubt a male doctor would have held out for any longer. Anyway, I think I can relate to your concerns: a female urologist removed my testicles, female nurses dressed my wounds, and a female endocrinologist is helping me get my testosterone levels back to normal. All very professional, though.

  4. I found this reasoning as to why men don’t have a test for HPV. After all it is what causes cancer in women so why shouldn’t men be tested as well??

    “Finally, there exists yet another reason why a clinical HPV test for men is not yet available. For one thing, we don’t yet know which part of the male genitals should be tested for the virus. Also, it is generally much more difficult to collect a good cell sample from male genital skin than from female genitals, because the male genitalia have tougher and thicker covering than does the cervix. Recent research studies have looked at ways of getting a better sample from men, such as using a fine-grade of sand paper to “exfoliate” the skin; yes, our reaction was the same as yours…”

    Obviously this was written by a man because I am pretty sure a pap test feels exactly like someone scraping your insides with sandpaper!! Why isn’t more research being put into testing men? Why aren’t they pressured to get tests done regularly?

    Oh that’s right because its usually men who control the funding for research and conduct it and lets be honest they would much rather make women take their clothes off and look inside their vaginas then look at a mans genitals.

    • Human Papilloform Virus the causative micro-organism for cervical cancer breeds in the cervix. There is no incidence of the same in males.

      • Hi Kat. Its going to be called ‘cervical screening – thirty years of pap rape’ in it i am going to name and shame my docs. Especially Nurse Grimey. Its only in planning yet. I am just tinkering with the chapters ideas yet tho i have already written the intro and some other bits. Once i’m sure where i’m going with this i will open it up for anyone to contribute in any way. Because we can’t post names here i intend offering up my private email or asking sue to forward them to me. I think the next step in our fight is to prod and poke and embarress individuals outright. I don’t think there’s a whole lot they can do about it. And if they did it, would bring thete misdeeds out in the open.

        I’m only trying to walk of that sciatica. Its so annoying. Have you got rid of yours yet?

        Have you noticed some creep called dr bidyas bas trying to scratch some words out to us? Whats he/she rattling on about?

        X

      • @ Dr Bijoy Das. You are misinformed. According to the US Centre for Disease Control (the major public health body in the US):

        “HPV stands for human papillomavirus. … HPV is so common that nearly all sexually active men and women get it at some point in their lives.”

        “Although most HPV infections go away on their own without causing problems, HPV can cause men to develop genital warts, or some kinds of cancer. ,,, HPV infection isn’t cancer but can cause changes in the body that lead to cancer. HPV infections usually go away by themselves but having an HPV infection can cause certain kinds of cancer to develop. These include cervical cancer in women, penile cancer in men, and anal cancer in both women and men. HPV can also cause cancer in the back of the throat, including the base of the tongue and tonsils (called oropharyngeal cancer).”

        Try googling “CDC men HPV” to find more information. If you are a practising medical doctor then you should know about this very common STD, which turns up in men as well as women.

      • The main reason why men are not tested is simply because most men would not find it acceptable. There are penile speculums available and a swab of the penile shaft can be taken, anal swabs can also be taken! If I can find the original study/trial I will post this. So yes a man can be tested for HPV and anyone stating the opposite is incorrect. It has been done and can be done. But as all these tests are designed by men they feel they should put the blame and responsibility onto women, selfish and ignorant. Oh I forgot, it’s too “invasive” for a man to accept, great thanks guys, but women just have to do as they are told and get used it, told it is simple and not invasive, just who are you trying to kid! So women get HPV from men, go to “invasive” screening get an abnormal test, sent to colposcopy for more invasive tests/biopsies etc. get parts of their cervix removed with its own complications and then let her return back to the man that possibly gave her HPV in the first place! Repeat the cycle for women over and over again. Disgusting approach! HPV Testing for men can be done but you choose not to put yourselves through it and pass all the grief onto women!
        Oh and I just found this one (not the original I saw but will keep looking): https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT02897427

        and this one: https://mytomorrows.com/en/conditions/2841/genital-neoplasms-male/trials/330849/houston-hpv-related-oropharyngeal-and-uncommon-cancers-screening-trial-of-men
        Name – Anal Cancer Screening – Type – Procedure
        Description – Anal pap test to test for HPV performed at first study visit. Anal samples collected by gently swabbing the anal area with a cotton swab.
        Name – High-Resolution Anoscopy (HRA) -Type – Procedure
        Description – High-resolution anoscopy (HRA) performed at first study visit. Liquid solution of diluted acetic acid flushed into anal canal. Colposcope inserted into anus and used to take pictures of possible pre-cancerous areas.
        Name – Penile Cancer Screening – Type – Procedure
        Description – During first study visit penis rubbed with a cotton-like swab to test for HPV.
        Name – Blood Draw – Type – Procedure
        Description – Blood (about 2 teaspoons) drawn to test for HPV antibodies

        So Yes a man should be tested…..and wow there you go A Blood test is available too!! What a surprise!

      • The prevailing knowledge (at least in 2016 when he wrote this) was that the symptoms/side effects of HPV was limited almost exclusively to women. That’s why they were only advising teenage girls get the vaccine (that seemed odd to me though. Like is it really that expensive or difficult to make, to not just be safe and do everyone?). There may be new studies that have made the case that there are significant implications for men who have HPV, and I bet that will be the case, if not yet, but the medical community doesn’t shift on a dime because of one or a few studies (thank goodness!!). Also, if he is not a doctor (which I am NOT implying), someone impersonating a doctor can receive up to 10 years in prison. I’m fairly confident he is a doctor, and therefore is practicing what the medical community has deemed is the best methods and procedures that are currently accepted. And I will always ‘ride with’ a medical doctor’s advice over someone called ‘anonymous’ with no visible credentials.

      • Mike Sands, that supposed doctor who has offered nothing but sound bytes has been pretty thoroughly debunked by cited research. That you choose to believe he is a doctor, and a good responsible one at that, in the face of evidence to the contrary, is your own delusion, since if he even is a doctor he is clearly a terrible one or a deceitful one as he is clearly either ignorant if evidence to the contrary if his opinion or has chosen to ignore that evidence.
        Considering doctors get bonus kickbacks for coercing these tests, its not unreasonable to consider he may have a financial interest that he has chosen to prioritize over his patients’ health, since there is to date no medical degree that exempts one from basic human failings such as greed or hubris.

        Its far more responsible to believe an “an anonymous with no visible credentials” who presents research and evidence than to believe the sound bytes coming from someone who calls himself a doctor but also has no visible credentials in sight. You know, since self-declaration is not evidence and anyone can title themselves anything over the internet, there’s no good reason to believe claims of medical credential based only on the word of the individual. Especially when that individual us just some person commenting in a forum.

        I’m sure you would understand if the person claiming to be a doctor was agreeing with us (as many documented doctors actually do), since your belief in this person’s medical credentials are clearing based entirely on the fact that you agree with the soundbytes he is dropping and therefore are not concerned that they come with zero evidence. If someone claiming to be a doctor was in here merely repeating soundbytes that disagree with coerced universal screening, you’d doubt their credentials, though it would be only because they aren’t supporting your bias rather than for the actually logical reason that people claiming to be doctors in comment sections should never be taken at face value and especially when they just keep repeating lines from.marketing campaigns.

        But moreover, as many gyn enthusiasts and supporters seem to ignore, the issue has never been about whether the test saves lives or is accurate or if benefits outweigh risks, but about the right of every individual to bodily autonomy and the right to consent or refuse any test or treatment. Basically, the only person who can weigh the risks vs benefits for any test or treatment offered to me is….me. I’m the one in the body in question, I’m the one who has to live or die with the consequences, and I do not have to explain, justify, or provide any evidence for my decision to be respected.

        Even if all the pros screening rhetoric about screening saving countless lives and having zero significant risks was true (and it isn’t), I can reject it anyway. I can decide, for example, that the humiliation of the test lowers my quality of life and that I’d rather live a shorter life without that level of stress and misery. And my decision needs to be respected even if the doctor doesn’t agree, because it is my body and my life and his stays as my doctor dies not give him absolute dominion over his patients’ lives or bodies. A doctor is a consultant, nothing more.

        Of course, considering how much you sneer at people here somehow choosing to believe an individual experience counts as scientific evidence (which requires ignoring the fact that a research and evidence section if the site is clearly marked on the page) you have done plenty of that yourself, including claiming circumcision has only pros and zero cons based entirely on the fact that you are circumcised and happy about it. You clearly gave no interest in science or honest discussion when you present your personal experience in lieu of evidence and expect it to be taken and accepted at face value as The Universal Scientific Concensus, then take the contradicting personal experience of someone else and find ways to dismiss it as not counting. Or when evidence is presented and you double down on how the guy singing sound bytes and claiming an unevidenced medical title has more credibility than the CDC or any other evidence linked to. And when it is pointed out that pro-circ is clearly not the VAST majority with our side being some tiny uninfluential fringe anymore, since if it were we would find no one to agree with us irl and that has not been the case, you just keep doubling down on “VAST majority, VAST majority, I can’t hear you!!!!”. (Tip to pro-circ people a look at current statistics and don’t keep assuming things are still like they were in1984, when my mother was given some serious hatred from her doctor for refusing to let his cut my brother (doc actually tried to sneak it past her despite her clearly stated wishes, and got rightfully called on it), who is as happy being intact as you claim to be as a cut guy.)

        Before you start pontificating to others about their supposed stubborn ignorance, perhaps you should remove the beam from your own eye first.

    • Mike Sands, not true, HPV can cause anal and throat cancer in men and also genital warts, they are now maiming boys too giving this vaccine! In my opinion this vaccine was just rushed through, my daughter would have been one of the first cohort to have it in UK but I refused permission, I could not find any study about possibly problem later in life, and since it was rolled out so many have either died or been left with lasting debilitating symptoms! My girl has existing medical issues and I’m so happy I declined this for her!! As already stated there is a test for men for HPV involving penile and anal swabs, are men queuing up to have it?? They didn’t like the finger up the bum test for prostate, so a blood test was developed, women are expected to shut up and submit to smears!!

      • I just love when I get called an anti-vaxxer because I’m not keen on being the first to get a brand new vaccine developed by a pharmacy industry that is well-known for its monumental greed,sociopathic lack of ethics, and purchasing of laws to exempt them from the consequences of such.

        I mean, I’m not anti-vax itself, vaccinations have some solid basis, I support mmr, whooping cough, etc, I know the story of Andrew Wakefield, but I do think there are areas that are less about science or health or effectiveness and more about making money for the corporations with a perpetually applied product trying to chase a thing that mutates too fast to be effective and about virtue signalling for some Neoliberal types (coughflushotcough). I don’t think its necessarily harmful, just that there’s a lot if money to be made in pointless endeavors, far more than in things we need. (I say we need new antibiotics more than flu shots, but there’s no money in antibiotics as they can’t be perpetually applied so mono one wants to make them anymore)

        And I’m.just never going to be keen on being first in line for a brand new [insert medical procedure here] and being the guinea pig to make someone else a bundle. Especially since I live in America and can’t afford to treat any lifelong complications that might arise as they work out the bugs (and I don’t trust any claim that they’ll cover such damage,since every corporation also has an army of lawyers who exist solely to find ways to get them off the hook for cleaning up their own messes.)

        If my desire to not be permanently damaged as a disposable bit of experimental meat in the pursuit of someone else’s obscene greed is crazy, then I don’t want to be sane.

    • Linda sounds really good ‘! Sorry for the sciatica. It’s literally a real pain! Mines eased a bit but I’m being more careful. I’m also taking care not to lift and bend so much. Yes had noted our new poster! X

  5. A hysterectomy or any other vaginal removal procedure should not be done. Everything is there for a reason. Including the appendix which doctors are finding out that it is a gland that releases necessary enzymes and hormones. The same with tonsils, thyroid and gallbladder. Dentists are finding out that you should not remove wisdom teeth unless they are causing real problems. Many doctors will remove these organs to “prevent” future problems. When in truth, removing them causes much more problems and diseases. Everything in your body is there for a reason and should NOT be removed unless it is a life threatening emergency.

  6. I agree with you, Chuck
    I’m horrified at the suggestion a hysterectomy is an easy decision after a woman has finished having children. (not all women have children anyway)
    I recall a US doctor saying on a health forum a few years ago, “why would a woman want to keep a bleeding, unnecessary uterus that exposes her to the future risk of cancer?”. (think it was Obgyn.net)
    Where do you start with that level of ignorance?

    The female reproductive organs have a role to play right through life. I have my reproductive organs, tonsils, gall bladder and appendix, I wouldn’t agree to anything being removed, “just in case”.
    Of course, with the hysteria over breast cancer, many have their perfectly healthy breasts removed “just in case”. Even those with a genetic mutation putting them at higher risk of cancer need to carefully consider their options, surgery should be approached with extreme caution, and from an informed base.
    I lost my wisdom teeth, they were impacted and causing pain in my jaw and neck, I had them out under GA in a private hospital, my sister was brave enough to have them out in the chair.
    I came out looking like I’d been in a car accident, severe bruising and swelling, sore ribs (I guess the oral surgeon was leaning on me to get a better grip) and I swallowed a lot of blood. I assume he worked quickly and fairly roughly because I was out to it. My sister found it an unpleasant thing, but faired better, her dentist was careful not to cause more discomfort than necessary.
    With the obsession with pre-cancerous this and that, I fear far too many people (especially women) lose perfectly healthy parts of their body “just in case”. It’s madness.

    • Elizabeth, it’s interesting that the body parts which protect women from disease are the same parts that are targeted for removal. Women live longer than men and are less prone to disease because of the extra protection that our breasts and uteri provide. Breasts are packed with lymph nodes that work to filter out bacteria, viruses, and other intruders. The uterus provides cardiovascular protection. Women who have had a hysterectomy experience three times greater incidence of heart disease: http://hersfoundation.com/anatomy/DVDText.pdf
      We are led to believe that these parts are prone to disease and are going to kill us, when in fact they are the parts protecting us, and that give us an advantage over men.

    • I’d consider having my remaining 2 wisdom teeth taken out pre-emptively. This is only because in the UK you can’t just go in, get booked in, and have them out a week or two later. If we had swift service like that I’d wait and see. The NHS waiting list will be several months, even if you have recurrent infection or terrible nerve pain. I went private and still had to wait 2 months, and was lucky there was even a private dentist in the area that did impacted wisdom removals. He’s the only one as far as I know.

  7. I would never think that ANY organ needs to be removed “just in case,” but sometimes there is legitimate cause to remove things, IMHO.

    When I was a teenager I had horrible tonsillitis, ear and throat infections. Antibiotics, diet changes, allergy tests, antivirals, immunotherapy…nothing helped. Eventually the infection just kept going back and forth from the tonsils to the ears, my tonsils were literally rotting messes with holes in them, and I begged and pleaded with doctors to please take them out…only to be told “we don’t do that anymore.” I suffered for all of high school and all of University before I found an ENT who would remove the tonsils. By that point they were so infected that the surgery was complicated. When the tonsils were out, the infections STOPPED. Period. And they have been gone for 15 years now. Taking out the tonsils was the best thing a doctor’s ever done for me.

    Another example, wisdom teeth – I had four that were impacted and rotting below the gum line; they were also crushing the other teeth together in my narrow jaw. Removing those teeth saved the others and also relived crowding in my mouth.

    So yes, I do think that when we veer to the other side of the spectrum and say that there’s NEVER a cause to remove organs, it hurts just as much as those trigger-happy doctors. I’m not saying that to dismiss the fact that doctors are way to eager to rip out women’s uterii and other reproductive structures, I am just saying we can never say “never.”

    • I hadn’t read your comment when I did mine above about wisdom teeth. I totally agree that a patient should be able to elect to have surgery because in that case it hasn’t been forced onto them and they haven’t been misinformed. When the health service is taxpayer-funded, surely it makes sense from a financial POV to deal with a problem by performing minor surgery than to have repeated doctor visits, prescriptions, work hours lost (or not being able to work at all), education affected etc…

      • Absolutely. I worry when I hear about people having “proactive” masectomies and such just because they found out they carry the BRCA gene, but swinging in the other direction where surgery is NEVER performed can’t be helpful either. Informed consent is the important thing.

        I’d say that along with the financial aspect, there’s also the most important thing: that needed surgery, performed with informed consent, can have a more positive effect on a patient. With me and the tonsils, waiting for so many years to remove them meant that I sometimes spent as many as 300 days a year on antibiotics. I built up antibiotic resistance, I put a lot of medications into my body, and I was constantly sick, which couldn’t have done good things for my system overall. And whatever bacteria was being hosted in my tonsils had a chance to grow resistant to all the tactics we tried to eliminate it. Taking out the tonsils after a year or two of that misery, instead of expecting me to suffer with it for years and just throwing antibiotic scrips at me, would have definitely improved my quality of life.

  8. The wide abuse of baby boys having their forskin torn off of the glans is absolutely sick and now we see the life long trauma it does to these victims brains, the boys never recover. Yet our society says this is not sexual mutilation, are we that brain washed with religious fanatics? God never wanted this and it is a fact that boys can wash their own penis, what ridiculous garbage to promote such mutilations on defenseless babies. You live your entire life with mutilated sexual organ. Every time you go to bathroom the scars you see, how sad is this to be a man

    • I also find circumcision a bizarre practice – and certainly not something that should be done unless the patient is a consenting adult. In the UK where I live it’s just not common at all. It’s certainly not standard medical practice, which is seems to be in the US. I’d assume that most circumcisions in the UK are done for religious reasons, which I still completely disagree with. The fact it’s seen as a medical/hygiene necessity in the US, but totally uncalled for in the UK, suggests the medical/hygiene argument is a load of nonsense.

      • Circumcision might look like a cruel practice but in the babies the foreskin of penis is soft and the procedure is simple fast and recovery is speedy. The glans remains clean and free from bacterial/fungal infections. The Old Testament ordains it so also The Holy Quran. In fact in some tribal animist religions of Africa circumcision is prevalent.

    • Oh my goodness, I am so glad my parents chose to circumcise me and I’m not religious at all. Ive actually thanked my mother, to her face, for doing it. Appearance and hygiene are probably highest on the list of pros. I can’t think of any cons, if it was done properly and there were no complications (which is almost always the case). And I’m pretty sure that having the head of the penis always exposed, it probably desensitizes it a little, and gives me better control over when I orgasm. I would actually consider having it done as an adult if my parents hadn’t been so kind when I was a baby. Some of my analysis is personal preference, and subjective, but the vast majority of women I have ever heard talk about it, prefer a circumcised penis (without them knowing whether I am circumcised or not. They weren’t being “nice”, it was their honest opinion). Although maybe 1-2% have said an uncircumcised penis FEELS a little better during sex, but most of those even said a circumcised penis LOOKS better. You’re absolutely entitled to have the opinion that it is ‘mutilation’, but you are in the VAST minority. And the emotional/psychological damage you mentioned as a result of circumcision, I’m completely unaware of any examples of that, aside from the doctor botching the procedure.

      • MANY people I know personally are disturbed by the idea of removing a part of their sons’ genitals without a medical reason, denying them bodily autonomy, physical integrity and the right to consent. I have friends who have gone against a longstanding family tradition of circumcision for this very reason. Moreover, I have a friend who holds a lot of resentment towards his parents for circumcising him as a baby without his consent, which he sees as a major violation. He also experienced a loss of sexual function (even though the surgery was not ‘botched) and this has had a significant and ongoing psychological impact on him and has negatively impacted his intimate relationships. Academic studies have also been conducted around the trauma that can result in boys circumcised as babies. It is a substantial area of research. Just because you personally have not come across such issues or perspectives does not mean that they do not exist, or are a tiny minority. These voices deserve to be heard.

      • Gem, yes, you are one voice for those people, and you are heard. I’m unaware of any place forcing circumcision though, so I’m not sure what you’re point is. To outlaw it? Well there are religious implications within some groups, so you’ll never infringe on their “right” to do it. But your friend, who holds resentment to his parents for performing that operation.. is it possible that his situation is extremely rare? Might it be possible that he has some other mental health concerns that are manifesting themselves in odd ways? Needing to blame someone for something? It sounds like some mental health stuff, either way. If he has no ill effects because of it, he’s either obsessing about his penis or is using it as a way to feel like he’s been slighted (does that qualify as a pun?). Or just the plague that has infected our society of “the grass is always greener on the other side”? Maybe not. But what can he do to change it? Seems like a lot of wasted energy to hold such a grudge. Like I said, “religious rights” is one of the things that courts will never infringe upon, at least not in the next dozen generations.

  9. The simple answer to the questions…why don’t men have to endure these types of procedures…they will not tolerate it and the doctors over the years(mostly other men) know this.

    • Definitely agree. That is the reason men don’t get hassled although I’ve heard of some countries, or some areas within certain countries, who are now trying to herd men into prostate exams – notably Canada and the US (where else?!). That said, I don’t think men are so susceptibile to pressure. They (like some women, including myself) see any health procedure as a personal decision and don’t tend to discuss it with all and sundry. The way many women see screening is quite frankly bizarre, and something to be eagerly discussed with female friends and relatives, resorting to bitter, emotional arguments if you disagree with them, instead of being logical and rational about the whole thing.

  10. It would be truly bizarre for there to be a government prostate screening registry with men getting their reminder letters and being asked questions such as how many sexual partners they have had, how many children, if they smoke, take bubble baths, what type of menstrual products their female partners uses, what colour underwear they wear, what type of birth control they use or if they use condoms regularly and then ask them at what age they started masterbating or having sex with other people, if they had any discharge, infection, impotency issues AND PUTTING that all in a database.

    I have heard about gay men being pressured and hassled into anal pap tests and treatments by some doctors. They find this just as upsetting as some women. However men who are not openly gay or do not have sex with other men can still have HPV.

    • Your so write Moo. If You Key in to search engine UCI gyno exam its terrible. These ‘children’ are asked if the mast’ and how heavy their mens’ flow is. Its just disgusting. They’re only enrolling in school to study a degree. Here in Engkand no one would evef be given that form it would be illegal.

      • Thanks for submitting your piece Linda. Yes it makes us all so angry at the duping and lies which go on in our surgeries. I am so sorry you went through all this. I will be submitting 2 pieces, one on my personal experiences and another on a brief history of the NHS screening programme. Hope to get this finished in the next couple of weeks.
        I hope this project is helping you to heal. It will be great to get this information out there.

    • That always erks me how woman are expected to tell all there sexual business to doctors and I have never seen a form in a Dr office on the men’s side of the sheet about sexuall partners.

      • Hi Ada Two pieces is great. One of them sounds like the ideal piece for an introduction. I’m sure its going to be fab I cant wait to read them. Submit date is 20th December so plenty of time to work on them. I have already designed the ‘cover’ using Sues logo of the woman with the black hair. It looks professional.

        Hi Eliz. We are all going to bring something different to this book. There’s nothing like it on the net. I know there’s a few proper books like Marg Maccartney and some others that touch on smears but as part of a wider discussion on screening. Germaine Greer was panned for hers though which is a shame. Anyway the ‘young’ ones coming along now won’t be interested in buying hardback books from shops they are more likely to dowload ours.
        Plus these other writers are confined to publishing conventions and haven’t been able to stick their heads to high over the paraphet.
        With ours we can write anything we want.
        I cant wait to see Diane’s account I bet she doesn’t hold back.
        Anger is a fab asset to do something like this. When i got this ipad last year I kept going on kindle typing in subjects i like and downloading the free books. If a woman types in smear tests, cervical screening or womens health we will be the only free book on the subject. There is no stoping us now.
        And if all the women here contribute as well to the book as well as creating their own books to put on kindle there will be no stoping us. We could dominate kindle in no time.

  11. I’m in the doctors with my grandmother for her visit. There’s a poster on the wall telling woman what they “should” have and a pap smear and HPV testing after 30. Omg I’m so sick of hearing what we “should” be doing with are bodies after sertain ages. The poster disgusted me but I guess its no surprise. I was going to see my grandmothers doctor for an illment I had. But heck no I will never be his patent as it seems he made a permanent patent out of my grandmother.

  12. There have been claims that Gender Reassignment Surgery results in total sexual satisfaction of the subject. I am interested in the case of transwomen. Do they get an orgasm? Does the clitoris fibrillate? Is the cervix lubricated as in case of genetic women?

  13. A friend of mine has put her sixteen yearold on birth control pills because my friend said the she has endo and is trying to keep her daughter from geting it by using the pill. Her daughter has been ver depressed and tslking about killing herself. Now my gtandmother said it caused her to feel like she was anxious going out of her head when she was younger on the pill . Also i read bc can cause or worssen depression. I think my friend has been told by her foctor to get her daughter to come in scaring her about endometriosis runing in her family and prevention. Its just sickening to me. I have been around her and shes been acting do depressed. I think its the pill but her foctor wont tell her that and its sad to see. I know some font have any problems being on them but this is just alarming.

  14. I think both sex organs are beautiful. A girl born with both vagina and penis is just as beautiful as girl with vagina only.

  15. Are those rhetorical questions at the end? If not, it’s probably because most of the woman’s sex organs are internal and not easily viewed by the owner. A man can easily observe and feel *most* vulnerable areas (aside from the prostate. Also a contributing factor (to the larger medical industry associated with women’s sexual health) is most likely that because most of the woman’s sex organs are internal, they aren’t dry, there’s an opening that bacteria and things can enter, their cycle means their uterine lining sheds and is expelled, and all those things can make the pH unbalanced, as well as neglecting proper cleaning or general care. I’m obviously not a doctor, and I am a man, but I’m pretty sure that a very sexually experienced and inquisitive male has seen way more and arguably knows more about vaginas than women who haven’t studied biology extensively. As far as the ‘castration’ thing, I have no idea. Because barbaric men in 3ᴿᴰ world countries are archaic and insecure? That’s my guess, for that one.

  16. I wanted to add: it seems like there’s some angle that some posters are trying to imply that male gynecologists are getting some sort of thrill out of their work or something. Being tested and examined is just purely a diagnostic thing… to try to catch any problems as early as possible. Women’s reproductive systems are just more complex (I mean, they make babies. They’re amazing. But that complexity unfortunately means there’s things that can go wrong) and they’re internal and not easy to be viewed or felt by the owner. The check ups are for the well-being and health of the patient. Just as two examples… testicular cancer and prostate cancer… testicular cancer can generally be identified by the owner by feeling something “different”when touching themselves for whatever reason, and prostate cancer becomes a much higher risk at older ages, so it’s ‘recommended’ to be checked by a doctor every year, at a certain age. Again, ‘suggested’, ‘recommended’ are the key words and the same ones used for female health providers. No one is forcing anything. But you ignore it at your own potential peril.

    • Have you even bothered to read here a bit, you gracious gift to womankind who knows more about ourvaginas because he stuck his dick into them? You have absolutely no relevant knowledge and do nothing but repeat what we could read on any Jo’s Tosh site, if we were so inclined. Those health checks are often not evidenced-based and pushed onto women. But obviously we don’t know our own experiences, here’s A MAN to the rescue! Thank you for telling us off, my God, what would we do without MEN!

      • Mansplaining at its finest. The arrogance to think that he is bringing us new knowledge and enlightenment. Gave me a good laugh though.

      • I apologize. I think in one of those comments I said “unless you have formal education on anatomy” or something like that. In the scientific community, lobbing insults counts for nothing. Cross examine my analysis and tell me where I’m wrong… factually. And if it’s open for debate, make your point and then I’ll reply to your opinion. Unless (and this appears like it may be the case for some of the posters here) scientific theory is being condemned. If that’s the case, how far back should be turn the clock? To putting donkey dung in your vagina? Or is there a middle ground between the two? ‘Eastern’ medicine? And would you change your mind on modern medicine if you were diagnosed with cervical cancer or something like that? Side note: I wouldn’t argue that I know more about the average penis than a woman does. I only know about mine. Which relates to another point above… singular cases, which are often outliers (the circumcising thing above) isn’t a reason to make it sound like being circumcised means you’re “mutilated”. Well maybe it does, if you consider someone removing their wisdom teeth to be “mutilated”. I wasn’t arguing against the right to choose, just the person talking about one instance and making a blanket statement. If that logic is applied to anything, nothing would ever get done, nothing would ever advance.

      • I believe the “critical thinking” you’re referring to, is critical thinking running into paranoia and conspiracy theories. I’m making rock solid points. Cross examine them and tell me where I’m wrong or where your opinion differs. And then I’ll either take that into consideration or I’ll tell you where I disagree. Adult conversations. I’m not over here lobbing accusations or telling anyone what to do with their bodies. Just hoping some common sense can reign in the lunacy of people who are writing off modern medicine. It’s not perfect, but again, if you take the worst case scenario from anything and apply it to the whole, nothing would ever progress. It’s about the “vast majority”. If something works 75%-85% of the time, it’s fairly reliable. 95% of the time is excellent. Or should be hold back on helping 95% of people live longer, healthier lives because 5% of people experience some sort of side effect?

      • I’m not sure why you have missed my point, given that it was a direct response to the content of your own post. You said that people who struggle with the notion of circumcision are in the VAST minority. However, I have yet to come across a person who is in agreement with circumcision and I have had many of these conversations with new parents. Granted, that is my personal frame of reference, but I have seen in my own life that views are changing. As I said, I know people whose family and religious traditions have always mandated circumcision, but they have kept their boys intact. Indeed, there are religious implications and for that reason it will likely not be made illegal. However, it seems that more people within those traditions are questioning it, for example holding a naming ceremony instead. Similarly, you said that you were unaware of ANYONE impacted psychologically by circumcision, so I gave you an example from my life and signposted academic research around the topic that shows it IS an issue. I hope that clears things up and, for clarity, the voices I was referring to are those of the men who have been harmed. The way in which you psychoanalysed and judged my friend for his very valid concerns illustrates perfectly how those voices are not always heard. Regarding your views around screening, there is a strong evidential foundation underlying our concerns, which are shared by numerous academics and medical practitioners, including the founder of the breast screening programme in the UK. The women on here are extremely informed and have committed themselves to research from multiple sources, including scientific journals. They have made decisions based on careful research and their individual circumstances. Screening is a very nuanced decision, calling for a consideration of both the risks and benefits. Yes… there are risks involved with screening, although I imagine you do not know what they are. If you want to engage in these discussions, I would suggest you expend that same time and energy on research and return able to have these conversations on an informed basis. Read this site in depth, it’s all here. Also, Google is your friend as a basic starting point. I would suggest you search for terms such as over-diagnosis, over-treatment, all cause mortality, informed consent, risks of screening. Dr. Margaret McCartney, Dr. Michael Baum, Dr. Angela Raffle have also written extensively on the topic. I think you will find that they are neither paranoid, nor conspiracy theorists. The British Medical Journal is also a good source. At present, you simply cannot bring anything to these conversations because you have only the most basic understanding of the issue, even though you speak as if you are challenging us and offering us some new perspective. I wish you good luck with your research.

  17. Mike Sand I don’t agree with what you say one bit but let’s not forget here it’s our CHOICE what we do with our vaginas, these tests aren’t a legal requirement, but for years we have been bullied and denied care until we have them!! As to keeping clean down there I just read a piece in a magazine form a doc who advises we “ do as little as possible “ to our vaginas!!Left to themselves they will do their job very nicely! And what did women do before all these tests?? We survived and didn’t Hugo extinct! Here in the UK we don’t even have annual physicals and we aren’t dropping Like flies! At nearly 57!I haven’t had a smear in 20 years, refused all my mammograms and opted out of both programs, refused my flexi sig bowel scope and I won’t be doing the S… kit either!!

    • Also Mike while these exams are portrayed as “recommended “ many many women have been kicked off doctors lists for refusing them, denied asthma or diabetes meds for refusing them or even denied an appointment for anything until they screened! We are asked countless questions about our sexual behaviour even if we have not presented with symptoms! Would a man be treated like that??

      • Indeed, I was told I would not be able to register with my new GP until I submitted to cervical screening. I had experienced sexual violence just a year earlier and such an invasive procedure would have had a horrifically detrimental impact on my mental health…as it did several years later when I was coerced into it under different circumstances (no mention of the rarity of cervical cancer, or risks vs benefits of course). As a younger women, I endured ongoing harassment to screen at every GP appointment, irrespective of my reason for attending. As a consequence, on multiple occasions, I found myself crying in pain at home unable to access treatment because I just couldn’t face the pressure, the coercion and the intrusive questions. I will always support those who make an informed choice and decide that they still want to go ahead and screen. It is an individual decision. However, coercing a young woman who had recently been assaulted into a penetrative vaginal examination by fearmongering about a rare cancer and telling her that she is ‘stupid’ to decline/postpone is not healthcare, it is abuse.

      • Also Mike Sands in the British breast screening programme leaflet it clearly states for each woman helped by the programme and saved, 3 others go on to have treatment for something that would never have harmed, and what is that treatment? Mastectomy, with its possibility of infection or death on operating table, chemo and radiotherapy aren’t harmless and for what??
        I don’t trust a lot of modern medicine, less is best for me…..

      • Just seen a piece over on the PHE blog, about adapting and modifying screening programmes, and how they swapped the shit kit test to a different one as “it was cost effective and more acceptable “ to the participants, why oh why don’t they then modify cervical screening!????

    • The notion of anyone else deciding for any woman who gets to insert fingers or objects into someone else’s vagina is outright criminal! Coercion is a form of force, and refusing someone needed medical care unless they first allow their vagina to be penetrated is outright illegal and criminal. I have personally had some guy insinuate that I could not be treated for diabetes, a leading cause of death, until I allowed him to give me a pap test and pelvic exam – which is a cause of death for around 4,100 US women in 2019. No.

      Perhaps Mike does not understand what these tests and exams do, and don’t do? He’s just in awe of it because he cannot see it and women’s internal genitalia can make babies. Pap smears are a test for a rare cancer. It does not test for uterine cancer nor ovarian cancer, which while still rare, are much more common than cervical cancer. A pelvic exam can be used to test for various vaginal infection (in his words, in a damp place we cannot see). I guess he doesn’t think we can feel either! Vaginal infections are painful, but most of them are better treated at home. It’s better than waiting a couple of months for an appointment to see a gynecologist, get it diagnosed, get prescription cream or suppositories – when the same things are available over the counter.

      Women can feel our uteruses and ovaries. However, a bimanual pelvic exam cannot permit the clinician to palpate (feel) the ovaries in any but the most-thin women, and in some cases, cannot palpate the uterus either – especially in a heavy woman who has never given birth.

      Cancer is usually symptomatic. There are pains. There is bleeding. There can be swelling. If someone has those symptoms, she needs a diagnostic test, not a screening test.

      And…. in spite of all that “ickiness” that comes out of women, many doctors and nurses suggest to leave it alone. Wash the vaginal area with plain water – no soap. Do not douche with anything, unless there is an infection, and even then a limited amount for a limited time. Seeing the gynecologist is not like seeing the dental hygienist.

      All of this is available in recognized scientific and medical journals. Much of it is available on government websites, such as the CDC in the US to see how many people are affected or die. The notion of how screening skews statistics due to lead time bias, length bias, and selection bias is well known in the scientific literature. The pamphlets and commercials of “All women need to screen” are propaganda. They have little information, just claims providing no evidence. That which is asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

      And, there’s plenty of evidence on the harms introduced by screening.

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